Detroit is one of the most famous cities in the world, for better or for worse. While we’re proud of the many positive thoughts non-Detroiters have about our hometown, we’re also well aware that some assumptions about the Motor City are less than flattering. Here are 11 things that frequently come to mind when Detroit is brought up as a topic of conversation.

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Tell us, fellow Detroiters: are there any other assumptions or immediate thoughts that come to mind when your non-Detroit friends mention the Motor City? Share your insights with us in the comments below!

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